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	<title>Comments on: How to combine Workflow and Business Rules &#8211;  in 5 easy steps</title>
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		<title>By: Paras Jain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paras Jain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday I have attended a discussion on ILog Jrules organized by Twin Cities Java user group.

I can say from my previous experience of Drools that Rule engines are must in your company if your business model requires frequent changes and quick turnaround time. But the business people are doubtful as usual because they don&#039;t see the virtue of the rules engines upfront. 

I think just to demonstrate them the virtue of a rule engine projects should demonstrate them using some open source solutions like Drools. After the first cut if required they can go for commercial solutions like JRules or Blaze Advisor etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I have attended a discussion on ILog Jrules organized by Twin Cities Java user group.</p>
<p>I can say from my previous experience of Drools that Rule engines are must in your company if your business model requires frequent changes and quick turnaround time. But the business people are doubtful as usual because they don&#8217;t see the virtue of the rules engines upfront. </p>
<p>I think just to demonstrate them the virtue of a rule engine projects should demonstrate them using some open source solutions like Drools. After the first cut if required they can go for commercial solutions like JRules or Blaze Advisor etc</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Browne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

That&#039;s a good post - although I&#039;d come at the problem from a slightly different angle , probably due to the different nature of consulting that we do!

I think your post focus is on changing manual decisions (requiring human intervention) to automated ones.

My main focus in the talk was taking existing automated decisions coded in spaghetti (what Java looks like to normal people!) to something that can be reviewed by business decision makers.

Both are two sides to the same coin, and both require balance - just because you *can* automate a decision doesn&#039;t mean that you *should*. In both cases you end up with a better, clearer, system.

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good post &#8211; although I&#8217;d come at the problem from a slightly different angle , probably due to the different nature of consulting that we do!</p>
<p>I think your post focus is on changing manual decisions (requiring human intervention) to automated ones.</p>
<p>My main focus in the talk was taking existing automated decisions coded in spaghetti (what Java looks like to normal people!) to something that can be reviewed by business decision makers.</p>
<p>Both are two sides to the same coin, and both require balance &#8211; just because you *can* automate a decision doesn&#8217;t mean that you *should*. In both cases you end up with a better, clearer, system.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: James Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul
Thanks for the post. Yours was one of several that prompted me to write a post on why &lt;a href=&quot;http://smartenoughsystems.com/wp/2008/06/30/heres-why-to-use-decision-management-not-just-process-management/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;decision management matters to process management&lt;/a&gt;.
JT

James Taylor
Author, with Neil Raden, of Smart (Enough) Systems
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smartenoughsystems.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Smart (enough) Systems LLC&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul<br />
Thanks for the post. Yours was one of several that prompted me to write a post on why <a href="http://smartenoughsystems.com/wp/2008/06/30/heres-why-to-use-decision-management-not-just-process-management/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/smartenoughsystems.com');" rel="nofollow">decision management matters to process management</a>.<br />
JT</p>
<p>James Taylor<br />
Author, with Neil Raden, of Smart (Enough) Systems<br />
<a href="http://www.smartenoughsystems.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.smartenoughsystems.com');" rel="nofollow">Smart (enough) Systems LLC</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Browne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spelling corrected!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spelling corrected!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Baeyens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Baeyens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I can&#039;t spell Brown properly.  So that is why I&#039;m not going to say anything about your jBPM spelling :-)

regards, tom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I can&#8217;t spell Brown properly.  So that is why I&#8217;m not going to say anything about your jBPM spelling <img src='http://www.firstpartners.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>regards, tom.</p>
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