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		<title>By: Steffino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steffino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after the irish 'no' everybody tries to explain and many foolish things are said e.g. 'the irish people have no idea of the treaty' or 'they just wanted to take revenge on their government'

so i'd like to get some personal statements from people who voted 'no' and publish them in my weblog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after the irish &#8216;no&#8217; everybody tries to explain and many foolish things are said e.g. &#8216;the irish people have no idea of the treaty&#8217; or &#8216;they just wanted to take revenge on their government&#8217;</p>
<p>so i&#8217;d like to get some personal statements from people who voted &#8216;no&#8217; and publish them in my weblog</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Browne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Luther and 'FrenchA' (if that is your real name!).

To paraphrase one of your key arguments - 'Vote No on behalf of the German and French people'.

I'm sorry to hear that you don't have a referendum in your contry, but please talk to your local politicians about it. 

It's my vote and it's very important to me, but thanks for your advice.

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Luther and &#8216;FrenchA&#8217; (if that is your real name!).</p>
<p>To paraphrase one of your key arguments - &#8216;Vote No on behalf of the German and French people&#8217;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear that you don&#8217;t have a referendum in your contry, but please talk to your local politicians about it. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s my vote and it&#8217;s very important to me, but thanks for your advice.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: A frenchA</title>
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		<dc:creator>A frenchA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Help you,why thefrench said NO?

The new president Sarkozy use the parlement to vote the new constitution, the text is the same.
The Yes said "remmber that the europe was good for you, you must show that you are good europe people".
The president Chirac decide to send the paper at all the people, a big error for the yes.
Have you receive the "constitution", because after, the french people ask was on the write, not on the speech,
on the futur with this text.
Yes at the peripherical of the text, good intention but in the center, the most is an econmical project completely close.
Cut the apple in two, do pragmatic said yes, but the cut is not right!
At 56% the french said that it is not the place in a constitution, changing the name is the solution!.
The french people was not opposite to europe, but the people europe to help and complement not the economical war 
the only solution in the text.
Vote NO, only because you are alone, you cans stop and at minimum ask that all europe of people vote.
When the YES see that the NO shoud be the winnner, the yes said: "dangerous, the french will be the bad, no minister, no good  think for you".
In french "la carotte et le baton" 
Thank.
A french</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Help you,why thefrench said NO?</p>
<p>The new president Sarkozy use the parlement to vote the new constitution, the text is the same.<br />
The Yes said &#8220;remmber that the europe was good for you, you must show that you are good europe people&#8221;.<br />
The president Chirac decide to send the paper at all the people, a big error for the yes.<br />
Have you receive the &#8220;constitution&#8221;, because after, the french people ask was on the write, not on the speech,<br />
on the futur with this text.<br />
Yes at the peripherical of the text, good intention but in the center, the most is an econmical project completely close.<br />
Cut the apple in two, do pragmatic said yes, but the cut is not right!<br />
At 56% the french said that it is not the place in a constitution, changing the name is the solution!.<br />
The french people was not opposite to europe, but the people europe to help and complement not the economical war<br />
the only solution in the text.<br />
Vote NO, only because you are alone, you cans stop and at minimum ask that all europe of people vote.<br />
When the YES see that the NO shoud be the winnner, the yes said: &#8220;dangerous, the french will be the bad, no minister, no good  think for you&#8221;.<br />
In french &#8220;la carotte et le baton&#8221;<br />
Thank.<br />
A french</p>
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		<title>By: Piaras MacDonnell</title>
		<link>http://www.firstpartners.net/blog/location/ireland/2008/06/10/lisbon-no-voter-converted-to-yes/#comment-275433</link>
		<dc:creator>Piaras MacDonnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What ever you opinion on Lisbon the "Spoofers guide to the Lisbon treaty" was a funny read :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ever you opinion on Lisbon the &#8220;Spoofers guide to the Lisbon treaty&#8221; was a funny read <img src='http://www.firstpartners.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Pascal Bleser</title>
		<link>http://www.firstpartners.net/blog/location/ireland/2008/06/10/lisbon-no-voter-converted-to-yes/#comment-275432</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal Bleser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link. A very enjoyable read, indeed, even though I live in Belgium, work in Germany and have English as my 3rd language.. oh, and I don't get to vote about adhering to the treaty but that's fine, I'm all for it.

It is certainly worth knowing that what happened with the Constitution was that in France, it was solely about French politicians having a game of influence over the next best topic. Which happened to be the EU Constitution. There was the yes camp and the no camp, and it was only about purely French concerns for the up-coming presidential elections. It had absolutely nothing to do with the content of the Constitution. Obviously, the text being pretty dry and long, no one actually read it, and just believed what one or another French politician told them. Which is why work like Jason O'Mahony's is refreshing and immensely useful.

Voting no "because of unhappiness with the current political and economic outlook" would have been a very stupid thing to do btw, glad you noticed. I'm sure there are good reasons to vote no, although I personally believe the good reasons to vote yes outweigh them, which is what it's all about: compromise, not only agreeing to something if you like 100% of it. But a protest vote is just an extraordinary dumb idea: that's how France ended up with Le Pen in the second round of presidential elections, and then with a corrupt Chirac as prez.

"lange Rede kurzer Sinn", thanks again for the link, just wanted to share my 0.02€ about it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link. A very enjoyable read, indeed, even though I live in Belgium, work in Germany and have English as my 3rd language.. oh, and I don&#8217;t get to vote about adhering to the treaty but that&#8217;s fine, I&#8217;m all for it.</p>
<p>It is certainly worth knowing that what happened with the Constitution was that in France, it was solely about French politicians having a game of influence over the next best topic. Which happened to be the EU Constitution. There was the yes camp and the no camp, and it was only about purely French concerns for the up-coming presidential elections. It had absolutely nothing to do with the content of the Constitution. Obviously, the text being pretty dry and long, no one actually read it, and just believed what one or another French politician told them. Which is why work like Jason O&#8217;Mahony&#8217;s is refreshing and immensely useful.</p>
<p>Voting no &#8220;because of unhappiness with the current political and economic outlook&#8221; would have been a very stupid thing to do btw, glad you noticed. I&#8217;m sure there are good reasons to vote no, although I personally believe the good reasons to vote yes outweigh them, which is what it&#8217;s all about: compromise, not only agreeing to something if you like 100% of it. But a protest vote is just an extraordinary dumb idea: that&#8217;s how France ended up with Le Pen in the second round of presidential elections, and then with a corrupt Chirac as prez.</p>
<p>&#8220;lange Rede kurzer Sinn&#8221;, thanks again for the link, just wanted to share my 0.02€ about it <img src='http://www.firstpartners.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Luther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Luther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>traight Irish men and women. Please do our european continent a favor and vote NO to the lisbon treaty.

I ask your help for us all from germany. Most people in the 27 country's are NOT AGAINST the european union but AGAINST an EU of the big busineses. Against an antidemocratic not even to say a faschist EU which do not care about their people. Wich do not care about our children and which do not care about peace.

They only care about foreign ressources which they want to "secure" for europe by means of war if neccessary.

They want send our children into death, just to secure their profits.

Again, good people of ireland. Remind your history as a strong and free nation as well as remind your responsibility for other european nations who dont have the opportunity to decide.
God bless you..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>traight Irish men and women. Please do our european continent a favor and vote NO to the lisbon treaty.</p>
<p>I ask your help for us all from germany. Most people in the 27 country&#8217;s are NOT AGAINST the european union but AGAINST an EU of the big busineses. Against an antidemocratic not even to say a faschist EU which do not care about their people. Wich do not care about our children and which do not care about peace.</p>
<p>They only care about foreign ressources which they want to &#8220;secure&#8221; for europe by means of war if neccessary.</p>
<p>They want send our children into death, just to secure their profits.</p>
<p>Again, good people of ireland. Remind your history as a strong and free nation as well as remind your responsibility for other european nations who dont have the opportunity to decide.<br />
God bless you..</p>
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